Oooh – can’t have this it is sexist – it is degrading to men – it is making fun of men – men won’t like it etc. etc. Well – in a word tough!! Excellent film ridiculing the straitjacket men are supposed to put themselves into in order to be ‘real men’ not feminine men. I note there are no images of men themselves being ridiculed or subjected to misogynstic comments instead it is dominant ideas of masculinity which is being ridiculed and rightly too. Let’s have more of this please.
Sorry should have used the term ‘misandric’ instead of misogynstic – but my excuse is I am living in a world wherein misogyny is normal and misandry is the exception.
Exactly Jennifer I’ve been waiting for trolls so show up shouting *sexism*
The feministe blogger who I linked off is also a man -Thomas.
Moreover, he has to say.
The best thing we can do for men is to mock manhood, to tear away at the constraints that make it mandatory to be a man, the straitjacket of gender role. I don’t know what the creators of this video intended, but I’m looking at it though that lens.
Well to be fair sparks most of the cheap ’scented’ candles you get these days smell bleeding awful, probably not much better than the mandle. Destroying masculinity would be best, but maybe mocking it is a good start – reminds me of ‘just for men’ hair colour – yes a real product – “want to colour your hair, but don’t want to use a woman’s hair colour?” – I’m pretty sure that was the slogan…..
Yeah, I remember the “just for men” hair colour it was years ago and even my ex used to laugh at it. Aye it would be best to get rid of the masculinity but at least we can have a rip at it while we wait
I’m not even used to associating with ubber masculine men, my bro’ and son or partners included. in fact I’ve just showed this to my son and he thought it was hilarious – especially the ‘burrito fart’
If you read the comments you will see that most of them appear to be too ignorant to realize they are being mocked. Someone tried to order the stinkbombs and found out the number was for phonesex.
It did me too – trouble is it’s probably been given some thought.
I encountered a Prof of cinematography at The International Dream Conference a few months back. He apparently runs some sort of “Sexuality in American Cinema” studies. No, I shit you not :/
Why all the hate ladies? Isn’t this just seeking to further the gap between the sexes? If gender issues are ever going to be resolved, shouldn’t we be trying to understand men instead of bearing hatred towards them?
Hatred leads to more hatred. Let’s try to be the bigger person in this issue. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Shouldn’t this apply to both men and woman?
I think I probably understand a reasonable amount about men, and one thing I understand is that the pressure to be macho and male hurts a lot of men. There was a story I read in a newspaper last week, probably one of the saddest things I’ve ever read, about a 10 year old boy who killed himself. Now apparently this little boy liked girls things, he’d told his mum and dad (who were very supportive) that he wanted to wear make up wear girl’s clothes. Now whether or not you want to describe him as ‘transgendered’ this was a very unhappy little boy who was made that way by the way the world demanded him to be, rather than accepting him as he was, even though his parents tried their best to help him.
Absolutely tragic but totally representative of what we are challenging. As I was discussing yesterday, one of my daughters was bullied at school because she refused to conform to the prescribed code of femininity norms at her school. Even as a small girl when her friends were playing with Barbie whatever, she was probably found to be lovingly rearranging her fossil, various skulls and sharks teeth collections. She didn’t want to do the girly pink and sparkly stuff and got bullied for it. I also remember my son struggling to adhere to the macho image when it just wasn’t in him – insisting amongst other stuff to wear long sleeves even in summer because his arms were “too skinny” So yeah, don’t conform to the image / norm at your peril.
layla – mock the men; it’s fair game, we’re such easy targets and we really can take a bit of pisstaking. given our position of power it can’t really hurt us – might just make someone think tho, which can’t be bad.
oops sorry – forgot i can’t type; must be this damn straitjacket i put myself into.
the article is a bit err immature isn’t it?
i mean, good for him trying to embrace feminism, but i can’t quite get away from the feeling he misses the point.
humour is a valuable thing – whether to allow us to see the unconscious within the humorist or to play with concpets in a ’safer’ space than having to own them in seriousness or even a way to exorcise demons.
and feminists constantly have to disprove the myth they (all of them, damn them) have no sense of humour.
yes, men have to cope with gender stereotypes, but oddly enough they all add up to excuses to do what the hell we want.
Hey SW you’re being harder on menz than the wimmin, stop it, it’s confusing me. Yes men’s stereotypes do let you do whatever you want – unless it’s um being sensitive, crying (god forbid), hugging your friends, having emotions generally. It breaks my heart when I see little boys, who are just so lovely, so open, so loving (I have a preponderance of males in my family) being hardened into having to do the ‘macho’ thing. If they’re lucky they have parents who’ll defend their right to be a human being – like my little nephew who used to love to dress up in girl’s clothes, whose mum and dad ignored the people who told them they should stop him in case he grew up gay (he didn’t, not even vaguely transgendered, but he’s now twenty odd and still the same lovely human being). But even then they’re up against the crap that is ‘masculinity’.
True story about my son when he was about 17. We were watching a wild life programme where this poona motherless baby elephant was rejected by the rest of the herd. This is unusual, as they usually adopt baby orphans, strays etc and the Hyenas ended up killing it, which was a blessing as it was still nursing and unable to eat / drink. Anyways, my 17 y/o lad who’s in floods of tears by this stage turned to me and said “whaaaa… please don’t tell my dad”
Gawd don’t even get me started on those wildlife programmes, why are they always so awful? I mean they start off ok, to lull you into a false sense of security and then inevitably something gets eaten, orphaned baby animal gets abandoned etc etc. I remember that one with Bill Oddie where some baby birds got abandoned and they were going ‘and now they’ll starve to death’ and I was thinking ‘well why don’t you rescue them you fuckers’. I would start crying, but the men in white coats will be after me….
‘It breaks my heart when I see little boys, who are just so lovely, so open, so loving (I have a preponderance of males in my family) being hardened into having to do the ‘macho’ thing.’
me too – my 5yr old is now forever pushing, poking and kicking and shouting has become his default volume conversation level. i think we just have to try and reclaim them a bit later on. he’ll have to judge that input at a later date along with all the stuff we give him and see what he believes is right. and if he wants to votre tory, we tie him in a sack with some raw meat and post him to sparks’ favourite nature documentary. tough love. i think i could handle almost anything in my sons except their being conservatives. we all have one thing…
fortunately the 5yr old at least has seen me crying a lot with my parents dying and he just comes over and gives me a hug. hope that spark will always stay in him.
we don’t tend to cry at nature programmes – i find the poor script/acting in most tv dramas to be more upsetting.
‘Yes men’s stereotypes do let you do whatever you want’ – not what we need.
While I recognize the obvious fact that this video is meant to make light of traditionally perceived masculinity, I find the thought of candles scented like A1-steak sauce most appealing. I’m a male proponent of scented candles. They cover up the man-stink of my apartment, and make everything smell like oranges, which happens to be my favorite flavor. Nothing wrong with that. And the ladies seem to enjoy it, as do the men, but they are not as vocal about it.
But the concept of these bizarre odors in candle form is to tantalizing to pass up. I can only imagine the conversation starter that a A1-steak sauce scented candle would become.
Now, in regards to the comments above made about nature programs, allow me to voice my personal insight into the phenomena which would allow a documenter to film a dying animal, but not save it.
A documentary is made to inform people about something which is not common knowledge. If one capture the brutality of nature, along with it’s beauty, then one paints a more accurate picture of it’s reality. When it comes to filming the darker side of nature, the heart of a documenter is not one of cold callous, which is allowing an animal to die simply to make better television. It is one of foresight. One of love. But love for not just that single animal, but all animals of that species.
You see, by documenting nature in it’s most raw of forms, the reality of it becomes much more apparent. And when something becomes more real to us, we begin to realize that it is worth fighting for. That it is worth protecting. That it is worth spending tax dollars on to prevent the destruction of it’s natural habitat, and prosecute poachers to the fullest extent of the law.
As brutal as nature can be, it is beautiful in it’s brutality. While it is unsettling to watch a cheeta tear apart a gazelle, that IS the natural order of things. And if one can get past humanizing the event, one will see the beauty of a powerful beast succeeding in capturing his prey, and feeding his mate and offspring. Or, the beauty of that gazelle making a daring escape with it’s life.
Now, there is also a sister concept along with this sort of documentary artistry. As humans, we have the power to affect every other creature around us. And what right do we honestly have to interfere with the process of nature, other than to ensure it is maintained properly? If we should avoid destroying an animals natural habitat, then should we not also avoid destroying it’s natural process of life and death?
As heartless as it may seem to sit and film an orphaned bird as it dies of exposure, consider the larger picture: The time and resources could be spent on saving that bird, nurturing it, and introducing it back into the wild, where it may or may not be properly adjusted. Or, the same amount of time and resources could be spent on ensuring that these animals have adequate protected space away from the influence of man in which to take part in their given natural process of life and death. The one action ensures the survival of the individual bird. The other action ensures the survival of the entire species.
This is why animal documentaries are made. This is why we have zoological centers. To allow people to learn about animals which they would other wise never come in contact with. To allow them to witness their process of life and death. To allow them to feel a connection with the reality of that animal’s existence here on planet earth. And to allow them to develop the desire to preserve that animal, regardless of whether or not they will ever encounter one in their day to day life.
Stormy, why do you label me as religious simply because I have knowledge of the Bible? Darwin was a Biblical scholar you know. I would appreciate it if you left your prejudice at the door, and if you avoided labeling me simply because I am knowledgeable in an certain area.
***Respect to the little critters. ***
Which is more respectful to Nature herself though? Allowing the natural process of life and death to occur, or interfering with it in some way?
It is one thing to exploit an animal, and cause it harm. It is quite another to observe an event in order to document that animal’s natural process.
***By your logic, your boy Noah shouldn’t have run around collecting up the two-by-twos?***
No, that is not my logic. In the particular instance of the flood, God, the creator of all nature, commanded Noah to preserve the animals. It was a single instance.
***Why did Noah bother with the garden slugs?***
Because they perform an essential function of removing dead and decaying plant matter, as well as being a vital link in the food chain for many higher forms of life.
You had better come around to my place then, and inform the slugs that. My slugs are right into nice fresh growth and flowers. Not so much into the dead and decaying plant matter, they strip the plantlets bare.
Oh Stormy, teh fountain of knowledge above is in fact wrong…
I have it on good authority that Noah gathered up the animals and birds, clean and unclean, by their twos and sevens. The slugs and woodworm hitched a lift, incognito. And being slugs and woodworms – in their hundreds and thousands. (Can you just imagine God instructing Noah to collect all the beasties he perfectly knew had crawled between the beams during construction?)
But anyway – how did this blog turn into a biblical discussion again?
Did anyone want the argument about not using drugs? I know that one off by heart.
on a more practical note: for the slug-haters amongst us, do you have any effective way to stop the buggers? i don’t like slug pellets of any sort and the parasitic controls are far too expensive. i’m talking brassica in a raised bed here.
ta
(i am not using slugs as a metaphor for wingnuts btw)
I had an ark-ful of them a season or two back (mainly because the backyard had run to ruin, looks marginally above ruin now.
Whilst I don’t really like doing it, and it was only because I had the biblical plague thing going on, hot water and salt, drop them in a bucket of it. I did have to give them “sorry, come back as something better next time”.
My theory is that they are MRA-trolls reincarnated.
Ah yes SW the crucial difference between ‘over all’ and ‘all over’. Well you get my drift – or was it Matt who was the pedant – so many m-menz so little time….
polly – at the risk of emulating matt (or whoever), it was me that was wrong in the reading, not you in the writing. just made me wonder what kind of mind i have… i realise it is borderline defamatory to think you find such people sexually exciting and i can only apologise.
slugs (now how did i get there?)
my slugs laugh at eggshells. (hahaha they say, sluggishly)
copper way to fiddly for all me greens.
i picked them off whenever i could but there were still dogzillions of the johnnys. not being as err forthright as stormy i just squashed them.
beer traps i will try and coffee grounds never heard of but i like as a mulch anyway so will now have a go.
thanks for the help.
Beer traps work a treat, but it can be a bit smelly with all the stale beer and dead Johnnys. Then there is the disposal aspect, ok if you can bury it (but I currently don’t have a place).
The (un)ethical co-op has cheap beer in orange cans.
But occasionally I did find myself drinking some of the Johnny-killer. oops!
“This is now our place and we will not run from here,” said Nasara Lekutas, as the women sat in the shade of a wide acacia tree quietly nodding their determined agreement.
Oooh – can’t have this it is sexist – it is degrading to men – it is making fun of men – men won’t like it etc. etc. Well – in a word tough!! Excellent film ridiculing the straitjacket men are supposed to put themselves into in order to be ‘real men’ not feminine men. I note there are no images of men themselves being ridiculed or subjected to misogynstic comments instead it is dominant ideas of masculinity which is being ridiculed and rightly too. Let’s have more of this please.
Sorry should have used the term ‘misandric’ instead of misogynstic – but my excuse is I am living in a world wherein misogyny is normal and misandry is the exception.
Exactly Jennifer I’ve been waiting for trolls so show up shouting *sexism*
The feministe blogger who I linked off is also a man -Thomas.
Moreover, he has to say.
Actually – I like the smell of two-stroke petrol.
Well to be fair sparks most of the cheap ’scented’ candles you get these days smell bleeding awful, probably not much better than the mandle. Destroying masculinity would be best, but maybe mocking it is a good start – reminds me of ‘just for men’ hair colour – yes a real product – “want to colour your hair, but don’t want to use a woman’s hair colour?” – I’m pretty sure that was the slogan…..
Yeah, I remember the “just for men” hair colour it was years ago and even my ex used to laugh at it. Aye it would be best to get rid of the masculinity but at least we can have a rip at it while we wait
I’m not even used to associating with ubber masculine men, my bro’ and son or partners included. in fact I’ve just showed this to my son and he thought it was hilarious – especially the ‘burrito fart’
It was the Professors of Manology that amused me.
[...] Sparkle*Matrix [...]
Also, the name kept making me thing Peter Mandelson…
erk, *think*
If you read the comments you will see that most of them appear to be too ignorant to realize they are being mocked. Someone tried to order the stinkbombs and found out the number was for phonesex.
Oh Noes, thebewilderness and these are the men that think they are superior to…
Oh well…
It did me too – trouble is it’s probably been given some thought.
I encountered a Prof of cinematography at The International Dream Conference a few months back. He apparently runs some sort of “Sexuality in American Cinema” studies. No, I shit you not :/
Funny video, Sparkle*Matrix!
Given the fact that masculinity is merely socially constructed, I agree that the best thing we can do is make fun of it.
Haha, that gave me a good laugh.
Poor stupid men…I almost feel bad for them…*almost*
Why all the hate ladies? Isn’t this just seeking to further the gap between the sexes? If gender issues are ever going to be resolved, shouldn’t we be trying to understand men instead of bearing hatred towards them?
Hatred leads to more hatred. Let’s try to be the bigger person in this issue. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Shouldn’t this apply to both men and woman?
Hi Layla.
Sorry, but I don’t see any hate. Masculinity is a social construct as is femininity, and it’s masculinity that is targeted here *not* males.
Hi Layla
I think I probably understand a reasonable amount about men, and one thing I understand is that the pressure to be macho and male hurts a lot of men. There was a story I read in a newspaper last week, probably one of the saddest things I’ve ever read, about a 10 year old boy who killed himself. Now apparently this little boy liked girls things, he’d told his mum and dad (who were very supportive) that he wanted to wear make up wear girl’s clothes. Now whether or not you want to describe him as ‘transgendered’ this was a very unhappy little boy who was made that way by the way the world demanded him to be, rather than accepting him as he was, even though his parents tried their best to help him.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=514627&in_page_id=1770
Absolutely tragic but totally representative of what we are challenging. As I was discussing yesterday, one of my daughters was bullied at school because she refused to conform to the prescribed code of femininity norms at her school. Even as a small girl when her friends were playing with Barbie whatever, she was probably found to be lovingly rearranging her fossil, various skulls and sharks teeth collections. She didn’t want to do the girly pink and sparkly stuff and got bullied for it. I also remember my son struggling to adhere to the macho image when it just wasn’t in him – insisting amongst other stuff to wear long sleeves even in summer because his arms were “too skinny” So yeah, don’t conform to the image / norm at your peril.
layla – mock the men; it’s fair game, we’re such easy targets and we really can take a bit of pisstaking. given our position of power it can’t really hurt us – might just make someone think tho, which can’t be bad.
oops sorry – forgot i can’t type; must be this damn straitjacket i put myself into.
Why men should care about gender stereotypes
Alex Gibson considers the harm done by stereotypes of men as beer-swilling, emotionally-stunted brutes
http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/02/men_stereotypes
the article is a bit err immature isn’t it?
i mean, good for him trying to embrace feminism, but i can’t quite get away from the feeling he misses the point.
humour is a valuable thing – whether to allow us to see the unconscious within the humorist or to play with concpets in a ’safer’ space than having to own them in seriousness or even a way to exorcise demons.
and feminists constantly have to disprove the myth they (all of them, damn them) have no sense of humour.
yes, men have to cope with gender stereotypes, but oddly enough they all add up to excuses to do what the hell we want.
Yes SW I think he’s got a way to go. He’s a student (so I’m guessing young, or at least he sounds young) so I thought I’d give him a Kit Kat.
Hey SW you’re being harder on menz than the wimmin, stop it, it’s confusing me. Yes men’s stereotypes do let you do whatever you want – unless it’s um being sensitive, crying (god forbid), hugging your friends, having emotions generally. It breaks my heart when I see little boys, who are just so lovely, so open, so loving (I have a preponderance of males in my family) being hardened into having to do the ‘macho’ thing. If they’re lucky they have parents who’ll defend their right to be a human being – like my little nephew who used to love to dress up in girl’s clothes, whose mum and dad ignored the people who told them they should stop him in case he grew up gay (he didn’t, not even vaguely transgendered, but he’s now twenty odd and still the same lovely human being). But even then they’re up against the crap that is ‘masculinity’.
True story about my son when he was about 17. We were watching a wild life programme where this poona motherless baby elephant was rejected by the rest of the herd. This is unusual, as they usually adopt baby orphans, strays etc and the Hyenas ended up killing it, which was a blessing as it was still nursing and unable to eat / drink. Anyways, my 17 y/o lad who’s in floods of tears by this stage turned to me and said “whaaaa… please don’t tell my dad”
Gawd don’t even get me started on those wildlife programmes, why are they always so awful? I mean they start off ok, to lull you into a false sense of security and then inevitably something gets eaten, orphaned baby animal gets abandoned etc etc. I remember that one with Bill Oddie where some baby birds got abandoned and they were going ‘and now they’ll starve to death’ and I was thinking ‘well why don’t you rescue them you fuckers’. I would start crying, but the men in white coats will be after me….
Polly – a previous nature programme trauma of mine.
http://sparklematrix.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/the-digibox-featuring-%e2%80%9cescape-of-the-penguin%e2%80%9d/
Yeah Polly, it always pissed me off in nature docs when they would just let some animal die and not save it.
Whatever happened to just watching them, without all the mortality subplot?
‘It breaks my heart when I see little boys, who are just so lovely, so open, so loving (I have a preponderance of males in my family) being hardened into having to do the ‘macho’ thing.’
me too – my 5yr old is now forever pushing, poking and kicking and shouting has become his default volume conversation level. i think we just have to try and reclaim them a bit later on. he’ll have to judge that input at a later date along with all the stuff we give him and see what he believes is right. and if he wants to votre tory, we tie him in a sack with some raw meat and post him to sparks’ favourite nature documentary. tough love. i think i could handle almost anything in my sons except their being conservatives. we all have one thing…
fortunately the 5yr old at least has seen me crying a lot with my parents dying and he just comes over and gives me a hug. hope that spark will always stay in him.
we don’t tend to cry at nature programmes – i find the poor script/acting in most tv dramas to be more upsetting.
‘Yes men’s stereotypes do let you do whatever you want’ – not what we need.
While I recognize the obvious fact that this video is meant to make light of traditionally perceived masculinity, I find the thought of candles scented like A1-steak sauce most appealing. I’m a male proponent of scented candles. They cover up the man-stink of my apartment, and make everything smell like oranges, which happens to be my favorite flavor. Nothing wrong with that. And the ladies seem to enjoy it, as do the men, but they are not as vocal about it.
But the concept of these bizarre odors in candle form is to tantalizing to pass up. I can only imagine the conversation starter that a A1-steak sauce scented candle would become.
Now, in regards to the comments above made about nature programs, allow me to voice my personal insight into the phenomena which would allow a documenter to film a dying animal, but not save it.
A documentary is made to inform people about something which is not common knowledge. If one capture the brutality of nature, along with it’s beauty, then one paints a more accurate picture of it’s reality. When it comes to filming the darker side of nature, the heart of a documenter is not one of cold callous, which is allowing an animal to die simply to make better television. It is one of foresight. One of love. But love for not just that single animal, but all animals of that species.
You see, by documenting nature in it’s most raw of forms, the reality of it becomes much more apparent. And when something becomes more real to us, we begin to realize that it is worth fighting for. That it is worth protecting. That it is worth spending tax dollars on to prevent the destruction of it’s natural habitat, and prosecute poachers to the fullest extent of the law.
As brutal as nature can be, it is beautiful in it’s brutality. While it is unsettling to watch a cheeta tear apart a gazelle, that IS the natural order of things. And if one can get past humanizing the event, one will see the beauty of a powerful beast succeeding in capturing his prey, and feeding his mate and offspring. Or, the beauty of that gazelle making a daring escape with it’s life.
Now, there is also a sister concept along with this sort of documentary artistry. As humans, we have the power to affect every other creature around us. And what right do we honestly have to interfere with the process of nature, other than to ensure it is maintained properly? If we should avoid destroying an animals natural habitat, then should we not also avoid destroying it’s natural process of life and death?
As heartless as it may seem to sit and film an orphaned bird as it dies of exposure, consider the larger picture: The time and resources could be spent on saving that bird, nurturing it, and introducing it back into the wild, where it may or may not be properly adjusted. Or, the same amount of time and resources could be spent on ensuring that these animals have adequate protected space away from the influence of man in which to take part in their given natural process of life and death. The one action ensures the survival of the individual bird. The other action ensures the survival of the entire species.
This is why animal documentaries are made. This is why we have zoological centers. To allow people to learn about animals which they would other wise never come in contact with. To allow them to witness their process of life and death. To allow them to feel a connection with the reality of that animal’s existence here on planet earth. And to allow them to develop the desire to preserve that animal, regardless of whether or not they will ever encounter one in their day to day life.
i imagine we’ve heard that argument before… and the one about not using nasty drugs that hurt poor wee viruses. it’s all a bit natural world 101.
Johnny, oh Johnny.
And let me inform YOU as one who worked in the TV industry for 15 years — it’s about making a commercial product.
You are such a human supremacist aren’t you?
Must be all that bible study that has poisoned your mind so.
Respect to the little critters. By your logic, your boy Noah shouldn’t have run around collecting up the two-by-twos?
(and no, that isn’t an invitation to start your Godz-R-Us platform)
The deeper questions would obviously be:
Why did Noah bother with the garden slugs?
And if he collected up the woodworm, wouldn’t that have compromised the integrity of the boat?
Did Noah really think things through, or was he just caught up in all that God-buzz? Is it similar to a drug trip? The outcome seems similar.
Yeah, ok, I just went toooooo far….
So sue me.
Scented candles stink. Oh and to come over all Mike the pedant, can I just point out that ‘its’ possessive does not have an apostrophe.
Can I sue someone else stormy? I’ve got a little list…..
Stormy, why do you label me as religious simply because I have knowledge of the Bible? Darwin was a Biblical scholar you know. I would appreciate it if you left your prejudice at the door, and if you avoided labeling me simply because I am knowledgeable in an certain area.
***Respect to the little critters. ***
Which is more respectful to Nature herself though? Allowing the natural process of life and death to occur, or interfering with it in some way?
It is one thing to exploit an animal, and cause it harm. It is quite another to observe an event in order to document that animal’s natural process.
***By your logic, your boy Noah shouldn’t have run around collecting up the two-by-twos?***
No, that is not my logic. In the particular instance of the flood, God, the creator of all nature, commanded Noah to preserve the animals. It was a single instance.
***Why did Noah bother with the garden slugs?***
Because they perform an essential function of removing dead and decaying plant matter, as well as being a vital link in the food chain for many higher forms of life.
You had better come around to my place then, and inform the slugs that. My slugs are right into nice fresh growth and flowers. Not so much into the dead and decaying plant matter, they strip the plantlets bare.
I’m bored with you now. Go troll elsewhere.
Oh Stormy, teh fountain of knowledge above is in fact wrong…
I have it on good authority that Noah gathered up the animals and birds, clean and unclean, by their twos and sevens. The slugs and woodworm hitched a lift, incognito. And being slugs and woodworms – in their hundreds and thousands. (Can you just imagine God instructing Noah to collect all the beasties he perfectly knew had crawled between the beams during construction?)
But anyway – how did this blog turn into a biblical discussion again?
Did anyone want the argument about not using drugs? I know that one off by heart.
Maybe your slugs are female stormy and therefore not enlightened….but yeah the fuckers just come into my kitchen and crawl everywhere. eeuwwww……
‘Stormy, why do you label me as religious simply because I have knowledge of the Bible?’
hmmmmmmm let’s think – she could just be a really good guesser.
‘Oh and to come over all Mike the pedant’ – i had to read that twice polly – i’m so glad i was wrong the first time.
on a more practical note: for the slug-haters amongst us, do you have any effective way to stop the buggers? i don’t like slug pellets of any sort and the parasitic controls are far too expensive. i’m talking brassica in a raised bed here.
ta
(i am not using slugs as a metaphor for wingnuts btw)
Slug control PSA.
Egg shells.
Beer (they get pissed, wander off and get lost)
Copper piping coiled and placed around the plant.
I had an ark-ful of them a season or two back (mainly because the backyard had run to ruin, looks marginally above ruin now.
Whilst I don’t really like doing it, and it was only because I had the biblical plague thing going on, hot water and salt, drop them in a bucket of it. I did have to give them “sorry, come back as something better next time”.
My theory is that they are MRA-trolls reincarnated.
Oh, but next time I have to go on a slug-murder-fest, I’ll just say “sorry Johnny!”
Ah yes SW the crucial difference between ‘over all’ and ‘all over’. Well you get my drift – or was it Matt who was the pedant – so many m-menz so little time….
Coffee grounds – fatal to slugs.
polly – at the risk of emulating matt (or whoever), it was me that was wrong in the reading, not you in the writing. just made me wonder what kind of mind i have… i realise it is borderline defamatory to think you find such people sexually exciting and i can only apologise.
slugs (now how did i get there?)
my slugs laugh at eggshells. (hahaha they say, sluggishly)
copper way to fiddly for all me greens.
i picked them off whenever i could but there were still dogzillions of the johnnys. not being as err forthright as stormy i just squashed them.
beer traps i will try and coffee grounds never heard of but i like as a mulch anyway so will now have a go.
thanks for the help.
Beer traps work a treat, but it can be a bit smelly with all the stale beer and dead Johnnys. Then there is the disposal aspect, ok if you can bury it (but I currently don’t have a place).
The (un)ethical co-op has cheap beer in orange cans.
But occasionally I did find myself drinking some of the Johnny-killer. oops!