The search for the G Spot continues, as men appear determined to prove that if we stopped concentrating on the clitoris and put in some determined effort – we may just discover that they were right all along and what really counts is penis in vagina sex. Of course, I’m sure this is some remnant from Freud’s insistence that the vaginal orgasm was the sign of the mature female and clitoral orgasm the sign of the neurotic, immature and pathological sexual response.
Emmanuele Jannini at the University of L’Aquila in Italy, who carried out the research on under 20 participants says.
“For the first time it is possible to determine by a simple, rapid and inexpensive method if a woman has a G spot or not,”
Seriously, when you see the actual size of the clitoris (see 3D link below) that is buried deep within the tissues surrounding the vagina – is this G-Spot not just the posterior aspect of the clitoris and likely to be more or less prominent depending on simple anatomical differences and individual responses. Moreover, considering that 70 percent of women do not experience orgasm by vaginal penetration alone may suggest that this is the norm and not anything for concern. Remembering that the majority of female orgasms do not rely on a penis – while possibly a crushing thought for advocates of phallus-centricity it is hardly nuclear physics.
Therefore, Jannini’s findings of the biochemical markers which are responsible for triggering male erections are the same indicators found in the tissue where the G spot is said to be located is hardly surprising if it’s purely the posterior wall of the clitoris. Of course, now there’s talk of a “female prostate” gland named Skene’s gland – the embryonic tissue that in early primary development of the foetus becomes the prostate in the male or becomes the Skene’s gland in the female. Though this would lead me to ascertain that in fact the prostate gland (in the male) needs to be re-named the ’male prostate’ gland considering that the female is the default in embryonic terms.
Jannini accepts that there are limitations to his study. In particular, the small number of women he studied doesn’t allow him to say what proportion of all women have G spot – although it would seem that a large number do not.
This tentative conclusion is supported by previous questionnaire-based studies such as The Hite Report, which found that 70 per cent of women do not have orgasms through intercourse, but are able to experience orgasm easily by direct clitoral stimulation.
So, if the majority of women do not experience orgasm through PIV sex alone and are quite happy with this and the women who do experience G spot arousal are also happy then why the continued preoccupation with insisting that we try to find something up the vagina that may or may not exist and doesn’t really matter anyway?
Because it keeps wimmin from thinking about other stuff? Just a theory…..
More than likely. They want us as obsessed by our body’s workings and the penis as they are. Where’s all the mountains of mystic and scientific research about the male orgasm – gawd knows they never stop thinking/talking/facilitating the thing.
No, there’s just loads of work trying to show that the penis is needed for *real* sex.
Gah, why are they still looking for the G-spot when like you say Sparkle it’s already been discovered that the tissue there is part of the clitoris?
Do you think it could be because a woman discovered it (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5013866.stm ) and they want to sweep that knowledge away and plant their male flag on women’s bodies? It also probably scares the hell out of them that our clitoris is so big, after all only men are allowed big bits.
Thanks delphyne I was looking for that link.
i’m so glad they adopted a ‘a simple, rapid and inexpensive method’!
then they had lunch.
But what is the ’simple, rapid and inexpensive method?’ I am puzzled….
NB Female ejaculation – an apology. I had always considered this to be an urban myth until recently when I met someone who does it (she confided this in a ‘dear deirdre’ style conversation in a pub, I hasten to add, I didn’t find out through practical experience). But she says it’s a bit of a nuisance overall, what with the extra laundry and all. Oh and it doesn’t squirt you in the eye, and I still think it’s pee…..
They use vaginal ultrasound for their cheap and reliable ‘research’
Re: female ejaculation I’ve just read this about the ’squirting’ genre of porn.
Then you get men suggesting their sexual partners aren’t ‘normal’ as they’ve seen it in teh porn. And some places reckon this is sex ed?
Although I don’t have any medical training, I am inclined to go along with the theory it is the rear part of the clitoris. We know for certain that the clitoris is far more than what’s on show — tip of the iceberg so to speak.
Basically what teh menz are telling us is that “no no, you must get the orgasm from the back end of the clitoris!”. This would be like us telling them “no no, you are only allowed to have stimulation at the base of the penis, not the glans!” Even though I don’t have a penis, it sounds like a silly suggestion, yet teh menz are more than happy to tell us this rubbish in the hopes of promoting PIV as “The One True Method of Sex”.
Pooh pooh to that.
Nor do I have anything against PIV, and quite like it. Unfortunately, the problem lies in finding a manz that I am willing to do this with (at this point in time, looking like a big fat zero and getting less by the day…). I found as a radfem, that one’s standards are just higher (regarding menz).
And I’m just about to read Sheila Jeffrey’s “Anticlimax”. This will probably just raise the bar even higher I suspect.
Yeah well according to my mate it does stem from stimulation of roughly what you’d call the g spot, but this also stimulates the same nerve endings that make you want to pee. The fluid does appear to come from the urethra. But no, there is no squirting. And the liquid is clear, not white. I did make a few jokes about Health and Safety leaflets, goggles and all – the agony aunt conversation was all about how she was going to broach the subject with a new (female) partner which just goes to show it ain’t that common. (I’m dead sensitive and caring when I’ve had beer, me)
nb very poor spelling above…..to come over all MRA again
Oh and I think the ‘women who don’t experience orgasm’ (just read a bit of the new scientist thing but too drunk to be arsed with it all) are usually described as ‘married’. Or is that horribly cynical of me?
Polly – drinking no more than 15 units a week…..
This Skene’s gland (‘female prostate gland’) is wrapped around the urethra so it will be closely linked with bladder function. The colour/consistency of the ejaculate depends on hydration levels and dietary influence. Yes, I’ve been reading up on this instead of doing some studying.
Actually, I’ll stick with the clitoris.
No point in searching for The Holy Grail (the G spot) geddit?
Oh, I make myself laugh sometimes. Thank gawd someone laughs at my jokes! Me me me, I’m soooo funny!
The (pornified) pressure on all this female ejaculation stuff is just another way to make (the wimmin who don’t) feel inferior.
It’s neither ‘wrong’ nor ‘right’ if she (generic) does or doesn’t. It’s such a non-issue.
Yeah, jeez, we females are now expected to “perform” like some porn star. If we don’t, we are abnormal.
Two words.
People vary.
That is all.
PS. Thanks for the link to the BBC article, delphyne. I have long suspected as much, too.
Just one thing to say.
I had *so much fun* with the 3D site
http://www.3dvulva.com/
Oh Maia, so it’s not just me
Ah that old, old myth ‘real sex = penis in vagina’ and everything else is foreplay, with the exception of anal sex. But of course the primary focus is on phallocentricism. From the 19th century on women have been constantly exhorted, coerced and told they are pathological if they don’t experience orgasm via the might penis penetrating their bodies. In the 20th century numerous marriage guidance booklets were published all exhorting women to try harder and learn to accept, need and want male thrusting in their bodies because that was the only ‘real sexual activity.’
Sheila Jeffreys’ book Anticlimax has a section on the male sexologists and their constant exhortations to women to ‘try harder.’ So many women have been made to feel inadequate and dysfunctional simply because their sexual desires and needs do not fit the male-centered definition. Nor must forget Freud who also tried to convince women there was a ‘mature vaginal orgasm’ and an ‘immature clitoral one. ‘ But then Freud did claim women suffered from penis envy!! Ah the arrogance of so many men, obsessed with phallocentricism.
Still it continues with boys and girls growing up believing ‘real heterosexual sex’ must always be penis in vagina or now increasingly penis in vagina, anus and of course culminating in penis being rammed down a woman’s throat. Where did this enlightenment come from? Why pornography of course which is factual and purports to tell the truth about male and female sexualities!!! (sic).
Patriarchy demands and expects that all women are a one size fits all with all women worshipping the mighty and invincible penis. So why is viagra such a big seller with men?
butterfly – exactly, we vary enormously – but often the big P seems to want – one the one hand, for everyone to celebrate men’s agency, while attempting to engineer us wimmin to fit in around their experience thereby denying us that very same personal agency.
Of course preaching to the choir yadda yadda but you never know who’s reading…
Nut – penetration of a bodily cavity does not = sex! simple innit?
Reminds me of the quote I heard once from a manz “how do lesbians know when sex is finished?”.
That quote from a manz is bad enough to be an urban legend. sheesh.
I’m still trying to think of something to say…
“how do lesbians know when sex is finished?”
When a man enters the room…
“how do lesbians know when sex is finished?”
When a man enters the room…
Interesting conversation about the female orgasm!
I don’t know much what to say (*blush*) apart from that I too believe that the tissue in question is probably an extended part of the clitoris.
Funny, for most of my life, I believed that the G-spot existed.
I also hate how phallo-centric portrays sex.