Caroline Norma asks “could this be a new trend?…Pornography has made it very sexy to hurt and humiliate women.”
March 30, 2008 by sparklematrix
I’ll just reproduce this article in full. Warning, may contain triggering material.
By Caroline Norma
ABC news radio reported on the morning of International Women’s Day that a 17-year-old girl had been raped in Brisbane. The newsdesk copywriter must have had a strong coffee that morning because she decided to include the bold description that “ten men stood over the girl masturbating while each of them raped her in turn”.
This snippet of information, plus the inevitable news that the men took photos of the girl while they abused her, provides the clues women need to understand why this rape occurred, and what it means for our lives in Australian society.
Pornography users will immediately recognise the brand of rape the men used against the girl. There is a genre of pornography called “bukake” in which men stand around a single woman masturbating and ejaculating while they wait their turn to orally penetrate her. The anti-pornography documentary Pornography: the musical features footage of bukake scenes being produced, as well as a heart wrenching interview with a woman immediately after being filmed in bukake pornography. Readers can also consult the Internet, of course - it is teeming with bukake pornography sites.
As revolting as we might think it sounds, it’s important to keep in mind that men are watching and masturbating to bukake pornography in the name of pleasure and fun. The pornography industry makes more money than the mainstream entertainment industry, so we can assume it’s not a few men that are enjoying themselves with pictures of men spraying their ejaculate all over naked women.
Consuming pornography is no longer the pastime of a few men on the margins, nor is it an activity that is marginal to the lives of men. Catharine Lumby’s recent study reports that only 7 per cent of surveyed users could imagine their pornography use to be harmful in any way.
It’s hard to believe the ten men would have perpetrated the pack rape on the spur of the moment. The girl was picked up and taken back to an inner city apartment after meeting a man in a nightclub. The man then called the nine other men to come over. It was reported in The Courier-Mail (March 7) that this inner city apartment “had been rented for the night by the group of men”. Presumably they all knew each other - they were all between the ages of 18 and 22. And they must have known each other well enough to trust that no one would feel a sudden pang of conscience and upset the highly organised operation.
How has a rape club managed to flourish in the tropical surroundings of sunny Brisbane? What is leading men to come up with the idea that getting together with a bunch of friends to rape a woman might be a fun way to spend a Saturday night?
Boys from the Melbourne suburb of Werribee hit upon the idea last year, and now, it seems, in Brisbane. Could this be a new trend? Maybe Lumby and her friends could chart the rise of rape clubs in Australian society and even predict new developments in this exciting Australian subculture. They need only look to pornography to find out what these innovations will be.
The 17-year-old girl who had bukake pornography made out of her probably struggles to exist these days. She would have been frightened out of her mind on the night the men pack raped her, and the death threats they subsequently made against her couldn’t have helped her sense of personal security.
She probably worries about her pictures appearing on the Internet, and perhaps even dares to think about the men who will have a good time looking at her abuse. This probably leaves her wondering how she’s going to get through the rest of her life. Her rape club assailants, who were apparently smiling in court during their bail hearing, now face the prospect of jail, but not the prospect of a lifetime of mental anguish.
The girl might take some comfort in the fact that Australian society lurched to offer some response to the crime. The Queensland police worked on the case for six months, and the Crime and Misconduct Commission played a part in bringing the men before court.
On the Monday morning after news of the rape was broadcast on Saturday March 8, graffiti appeared on the wall of a sex shop in Brisbane’s inner city suburb of Highgate Hill reading: “10 man rape: porn imitation?” Feminists have already planned a rally outside the court where the men will appear on April 21.
But none of this will change the conditions that foster rape clubs. Pornography has made it very sexy to hurt and humiliate women. To date there have been few acts of resistance to the sex industry. This has to change.”
Kudos Maggie Hays.
No I am not surprised or even horrified because this is what happens when pornography becomes normalised. After all the boys were just having fun were they not? What will it take for society to ‘join up the dots’ and accept that pornography does influence male behaviour and simultaneously dehumanises women. Just take a look at some of the comments posted on the onlineopinion site in respect of this article.
The same old denials that viewing porn does not apparently influence male behaviour, or we have the usual ‘give us the facts not just news paper stories, or ‘well what do you expect with such a slut.’ All very familiar and all deliberately ignoring the callous and calculated cruelty these boys inflicted on this young woman.
Catherine Lumby is pro-porn and I’ve read her report which she co-wrote. But Catherine Lumby is just a cog in pornography’s huge wheel, because it is the men who make porn, the men who view porn and the men and boys who then take what they’ve learned from porn and inflict it on women and girls who are the ones responsible.
But since porn makes such huge sums of money - what does it matter if a woman is group raped and then sexually degraded for these boys entertainment.
We must not forget the case of teen boys raping and sexually abusing a young teenage girl, then making a dvd of their sexual crimes. What did these boys receive? Why a slap on the wrist that was all.
But these are isolated cases are they not? Nothing at all to do with pornography or the systematic dehumanisation of women and girls. What can I do apart from writing this comment - well at least I can send details of this article on to other networks and perhaps, just perhaps, someone might just begin to gain an inkling of just what is happening in our pornified and men hating women world.
Join up the dots indeed Jennifer. These young men 18-22 are the generation that have known none other than porn saturation. The whole event reads like a porn fantasy.
Who is Catherine Lumby?
I recall a game from my college days that was rumored to be something the frat guys did–”Biscuit” it was called. The frat guys would, reportedly, get together in a circle jacking off on a biscuit and whomever came last on their biscuit had to eat it.
Too bad biscuits don’t have the same appeal they apparently used to.
This is a disturbing mix of homoeroticism and misogyny. AND PORN.
Gaaahh I don’t know why people think they can watch stuff like this, couple it with an orgasm and be A-OK!
“Because they are adults.”
No. Adults get more shit wrong than anyone. Adults (men, specifically) do essentially all the raping, molesting, beating,
are gone.
incest. Adults are too safe when it comes to this shit. Being an adult, afaic, makes one MORE likely to look at porn and go do it–because by then the conditioning and images are so normalized and embedded that any natural aversions one had (b/c this shit is not “natural”
Hi,
Such a terribly distressing story. That poor young woman has had her life completely destroyed in one night, and she’s not the only one.
I’ve just also written about this article on my blog:
http://maggiehaysagainstporn.blogspot.com/2008/03/gang-rape-in-australia-obviously-linked.html
In case any of you is interested in reading my post.
“Kudos Maggie Hays.”
Thanks, Sparkle*Matrix. I think we should post comments on that Australian thread in response to Caroline Norma’s brilliant article, especially considering all the misogynist porn apologists who keep defending their hate propaganda crap material in that thread. What do you think, Sparkle*Matrix? I’ve already posted a comment there, BTW.
Pornography matters more than women’s lives, these images are more important to pro-porners than women and girls who are raped or gang-raped due to porn. How sickening!
There is a clear link between pornography and rape.
Ooohh, but I wuv menz! They love us sooo much! :/
My heart goes out to that girl. I really hope that at one point she will get some of the mental and emotional support she needs. And I hope the men that did this to her drown slowly in their own cum.
Catharine Lumby claims to be a feminist.
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/author.asp?id=1983
Here’s the book
http://www.thepornreportbook.com/
But yes Jennifer, asking porn users if they have been harmed by porn is a bit like asking an alcholic if they have been damaged by drink. Are you going to get an answer with insight?
Marina Hyde in the guardian had a great opinion piece on porn a bit ago that mentions the ‘bukake’ phenomenon though she doesn’t call it that.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2231488,00.html
Catharine Lumby co-wrote a book called The Porn Report. I blogged about it here:
http://burningtimes1645.blogspot.com/2008/03/porn-report.html
I just want to say the phrase “rape clubs” makes me feel physically sick and I wish I had never had to read it. I haven’t got the words to deal with this story at the moment. x
Sorry to butt in. Associate Professor Catherine Lumby is head of media & communications studies at the University of Sydney, and as Jennifer Drew said, she’s very pro-porn, and consequently gets heaps of media attention over here in Australia. I believe she’s written at least one book all about how fun and liberated it is for women to consume porn.
Recently on the 7:30 Report (a well respected news show) Lumby even said that it was probably okay for children to look at porn “as long as they have strong female role models in the family.”
Right. Yeah. Cause exposing your children to pornography, that’s not child abuse or anything…
Thanks everyone re: Catherine Lumby. Wow Dissenter she thinks it’s *probably* okay for children to look at porn as long as they have ’strong female role models in the family’? She has mountains of research to support this claim - yes?? Yes well, this woman is a fucking menace to women and kids.
She must have got a full bag of patriarchal choc chip cookies for that one.
Oh well pisaquari I see homo-eroticism is alive and kicking in the ‘biscuit game’ Are men incapable of bonding except over cock-centric activities?
Maggie I tried to comment on the article and I couldn’t find how to.
I would also question what ‘pleasure’ and ‘fun’ are meant to mean ( I realise the article uses them somewhat ironically). Ok orgasm itself is a pleasurable sensation, but why do these men get off only on things that are about humiliation and power. What’s that got to do with fun, pray?
But the key of course as Jennifer points out is this “the pornography industry makes more money than the mainstream entertainment industry”.
Yeah Polly, what’s with the sexualised violence and humiliation? Is the sense of self so flakey and off center that they need reassurance of their worth? It’s the old looking outside of oneself for confirmation of value. Exploit that with capitalism and bingo.
They, the 10 rapists, have ruined that young woman’s life. For what? A few hours of their own ‘pleasure’?
What happened in that apartment was an exact porn script, yet the porn apologists have trouble with the causal link? Will they not see this link unless the rapists start quoting porn film titles mid-rape?
The dude that rang all his mates and orchestrated this gang rape needs life in jail. It is bad enough that he is a rapist, but to organise a gang rape? That is conspiracy to commit a crime, as well as the crime itself.
One point that the porn apologists miss, they claim that ‘porn doesn’t cause these gang rapes, it was already inherent in the individual’. Well, what an outstanding co-incidence that one rapist just happens to know nine others, nine others he trusts ‘won’t tell’. Logic must dictate that the chances of this many rapists knowing each other is about the same as winning the lottery — unless of course, they have been conditioned into being rapists.
The porn apologists are far more anti-male than radical feminists are. Radfems lay the blame on rape culture at the door of porn and the machismo upbringing of males. The porn apologists say “no causality between this trend of gang rapes and DIY porn, and the porn saturation. These guys would do it anyway” (sentiment gleaned from the comments). Well the increasing frequency of these gang rapes being filmed, using the porn apologist view, would indicate that there are a significant amount of ‘bad apples’ in the male basket. That would indicate that we need to terminate these ‘bad apples’ would it not?
The homoerotic bonding is evident. The gang rape is male bonding, over the bodies of females, to ‘defeat the common enemy’. Nothing says misogyny like gang rape. Nothing says misogyny than the symbolic humiliation of bukake.
I am not sure when the rest of the female population is going to wake up to rampant misogyny sanctioned by society. We are already at 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 females will be raped within their lifetimes. When does critical mass occur among females? When rape is 1 in 2, or 99% of the female population?
From the sea of porn apologist comments, there is the odd bit of sanity:
Posted by Pynchme, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 2:06:31 AM
“Maggie I tried to comment on the article and I couldn’t find how to.”
You just have to click on “comments” then on “new post” (at the bottom). Then, they’ll ask you to register. So you just register (it’s free), : you get an activation code sent to your email straightaway which you cut and paste into a box on that website when you register. Then you can comment right after that. Please can you try, Sparkle*Matrix?
Yeah, it’s amazing. Porn apologists logic would suggest that advertising has no effect.
Done. Gads have you seen the mass hysteria defending their right for hate speech?
Sick Fucks.
And people will argue and say but porn doesn’t cause men to rape, that they are rapists anyway BLAHDEFUCKINGBLAH … but 10 men?!!?! Are they all born rapists?!?! No, they are all INFLUENCED and brainwashed by the society and culture they have grown up in.
Hi FB!
It’s apparently ‘just co-incidence’ that 10 rapists can just get together.
Thanks Polly, Debs and Dissenter (no Dissenter you weren’t butting in) for informing everyone just who is Catherine Lumby. I forgot to give this info when I first posted - but I was so angry - (ah can’t have emotions getting in the way of logic ‘cos that is supposedly feminine behaviour!!). You’re right Dissenter Catherine Lumby has also written a book entitled ‘Bad Girls’ - title alone should give indication of content. Lumby promotes female sexual subordination to men as ‘female sexual liberation.’ Need I say more?
Yes indeed join up the dots and Stormy demonstrates very astutely how easy it is. All those hysterical predominantly male commentators were going crazy denying how porn harms women and children. Are those porners so terrified their right to commit sexual violence against women and children will be taken away from them. I wish it would happen.
Indeed what a coincidence ten male rapists all happen to know each other. Even stranger these men were all supposedly ‘born with the inclination to imitate pornographic acts of male sexual violence against women.’ But then there is no logic when men (and women too) defend porners right to commit sexual violence against women and children.
Ref: Catherine Lumby as other commentators have already said she is indeed given immense media publicity because she is pro-porn and my two pen’orth worth is she gains male porners approval. Women and children in her view exist for men’s sexual violence.
I have not forgotten this young woman or the fact she must be enduring terrible pain and suffering because of that these men did to her. It is a truly horrible case and sadly as we know, her case is not an isolated one. The utter callousness and cruelty of those male rapists and their apologists is sometimes beyond comprehension.
Well as Camille Paglia et al illustrate Jennifer, it’s always easy to make a profitable career out of being a female chauvinist pig (now that sounds like a good book title)
If what people see doesn’t influence their behaviour, how do porn apologists explain the immense popularity of the ‘Rachel’ (from Friends) haircut? Oh but I forgot, people have been getting haircuts for centuries….
Just wait until everyone finds out that Saatchi & Saatchi is just a front for a money-laundering venture. Along similar lines to menarebetterthanwotsits but not quite as cheesy.
Porn is the ad campaign, rape is the product. Or something along those lines
Porn is the ad campaign, rape is the product. Or something along those lines
I was going to say similar, you beat me!
I’ve posted a couple more comments, left links to my againstpornography.org site and I’m hoping my posts will help some women who read there.
Anyway, I’m now abandoning this Opinion(Australia) thread (unless feminists like you decide to join in and comment after me?). It’s full of MRAs in there. But that was still worth leaving comments and links, in case some people who read there care (and apparently there are).
Some folks value hate material over women and girls’ lives. Unfair! And that story is so distressing.
I’m eye of newt over there, thought I’d bring in some witch credentials
I didn’t want to use sparklematrix as I’m *ahem* google ranked no:1 and I didn’t want them over here pissing in all four corners.
Now the MRA’s have turned up I don’t really see the point tho’ hopefully something may have sunk in with fence sitters?
It’s a bit of a pain that you only get two comments in 24hrs.
eye of newt, you were great!
Thanks, Sparkle*Matrix, I knew you’d come! Thanks and *hugs*
If you keep commenting, and other great feminist women do, I might go back, I dunno…
“Now the MRA’s have turned up I don’t really see the point tho’ hopefully something may have sunk in with fence sitters?”
Yeah, I hope so.
“It’s a bit of a pain that you only get two comments in 24hrs.”
True.
From FB’s above comment: “Sick Fucks.” Indeed. *Angry*
somewhat of a tangent but not really eh sisters. I just left a shop in a very trendy arts street where they were selling along with my expensive chocolate drops, a pin or brooch or whatever you call it saying “I’m wearing my big girl panties, and they’re getting bunched up”, it showed frilly panties bunched up, yeah over a prepubescent derrierre.
Very sick. I complained and the grandmotherly lady who owns the shope said “pandering to pedophilia? what do you mean??
No tangent Sis. This is when I want to start biting things.
Every day I take a break stroll around limp around the hood, to chill, remember it’s only a fickin deadline, whatever, thinking to come back all smooth. And what do I get?
I met Caroline Norma at the International Feminist Summit. She is a lesbian feminist and is fantastic.
Ergh. Catherine Lumby. The less said about my opinion of her, the better.
I hadn’t heard of this happening, but the way that rape is under reported in the wonderfully liberated down under, I’m not all that surprised. Gang-rape of another teenage girl and photographed. How can women be so complacent about the fact that this is a regular occurance? We should be up in arms and flooding the streets every reclaim the night. But no. Men don’t hate us and besides women are just as bad as men. That’s the only message I keep hearing.
Oh, and stormy. I have just been told by a gay man on my lj that only gay men should be allowed to talk about homoeroticism. Apparently, the only thing that is allowed to be labelled homoerotic is material that is arousing to gay men. Whoops. I’ve written whole essays on the topic of homoeroticism between straight men. Although, according to these gay men I am homophobic so it makes sense that I would break their precious rules.
I am not sure when the rest of the female population is going to wake up to rampant misogyny sanctioned by society. We are already at 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 females will be raped within their lifetimes. When does critical mass occur among females? When rape is 1 in 2, or 99% of the female population?
There is no critical mass likely to swing opinion. In subsections of the female population, rape *is* already at 80% - among female prisoners, among sexworkers and, I suspect, among feminst bloggers. World-wide, arranged marriages of children (aka, rape) at rates up to 77%
http://www.unicef-icdc.org/publications/pdf/digest7e.pdf
FGM rates upwards of 90% in some cultures http://www.waris-dirie-foundation.com/web/e_index.htm
Where is the general condemnation of this abuse? Marginalised Women’s issue pages, feminist forums, the scarier sort of activists… the abuse is so mainstream it doesn’t even bother ‘hiding in plain view’. Waiting for critical mass - I don’t even want to go there. We *should* have passed that mark several centuries ago.
Hearing about this sort of stuff just makes me sick - and disbelieving, that such abuse is so normalised as to be acceptable.
I can hardly raise a feminist issue in conversation (not that I have many of those) without getting funny looks and ‘male apologist’ explanations. Silenced by so many factors, so many people, even for the little things, even for your own, lived experiences which you quickly learn can’t be true, or you must have misunderstood.
That a good proportion of the abuse we deal with is driven by porn? That’s so flipping obvious it shouldn’t have to be debated. Yet so much as bring the suggestion up and the name-calling starts.
You know, I was thinking more about this, and it really doesn’t surprise me that this happened in Brisbane. The article characterizes Brisbane as a tropical paradise, very common in tourist propaganda, but actually Brisbane and the whole state of Queensland is one of the more ‘hic’ places in Australia - very woman-hating, homophobic and racist. I know because I grew up not far from Brisbane. I mean, this gang-rape could have happened anywhere, because pornography is everywhere, but it makes perfect sense to me that it was Brisbane.
Like, all those idyllic-looking, sleepy country towns in Australia that city people go mad about, which make them spontaneously spout out phrases like ’safe’ and ‘friendly’ and ‘good solid values’, those are often the places where some of the most horrific abuses of women are children are happening, behind closed doors.
Allecto - Eh what? Completely OT but some time ago I kept trying to phone the tax credits helpline and kept being put through to some crap gay porn phoneline instead. This consisted of stories that typically started “It’s everyone’s fantasy to sleep with a straight man”. Really? Q: “What’s the difference between a gay man and a straight one” A: “About ten pints” (nb searchers for drunk lesbians this does not work for women, I have been in enough bars full of very drunk straight women and I noes)
Sophie, an excellent reminder, thank you.
Well, I sent my comment to this forum but I used another identity. But this just shows the extent of women-hating that is occurring. It is the same side of the coin as those male apologists who whenever an issue is raised concerning women immediately the cry goes up ‘what about men’s rights. Men are victims too!!!!’ What they don’t want to accept is that men have been given their rights for centuries now but it is at the expense of women’s rights. But this is what equality is supposedly about - ensuring the status quo remains the same - because what women demand - men claim they must have it too. Even when men already have this right they still want to be no. 1 in the hierarchy of life.
Gawd now the porn apologists are using the ridiculous ‘cathartic’ effect of porn.
Let’s just imagine if that ‘were’ true. (which it is not) Is a steady supply of degrading images of women the answer to men’s rapist urges?
“Give us porn or we will rape you” Hey, the arrogance just blows me away.
I’ve just had time to read the links Sophie - thanks.
(I haven’t been back to misogo-fest btw)
Sparks, if their argument is (essentially) “give us porn, or we rape you”, then I say it is time to rethink a different strategy. None of this talking/reasoning crap.
It is time to cull the herd.
If menz are going to use this defence, the one whereby “they just can’t help themselves … and need for release”, then there is not much hope for them.
I would be just the radfem to put them out of their misery too. Happy to oblige.
I just commented twice there as “rychousmama”. Men are by far the biggest mistake ever made in the evolutionary chain/God’s creation/whatever-creation-story-you-believe-in. They have officially caused the world’s demise as we know it. I am now really convinced of it. Their defensiveness over porn proves the point of the author (of the article) even more so.
I can help you put them out of their misery Stormy.
“the ridiculous ‘cathartic’ effect of porn.”
Oh I remember a pornie dude using that defense once! He said it was not really about watching it–he just *needed* it to relax him. Like background music!
A soothing sound track!
Porn=…Enya?
I did the laugh-cry.
So if the ‘cathartic’ effect of porn is true, and the world is full of porn (the internet is for porn, as they sang on South Park), why is there still rape?
Lawdy - you don’t think there are poor sods who don’t have broadband do you? Come round fellas you can use mine (while Stormy puts you out of your internetz deprived misery).
The first to be put out of their misery are teh menz who ‘need’ porn, to relax, to stop raping, menz are more visual, and the usual justifications.
That really takes care of most of the male population I guess? Oops!
ooh stormy - if you are doing requests could you do the conservative party once you’ve done the pornies, please?
Caroline Norma commented on my blog! She apparently followed the links I’d left in the Australian Onlineopinion forum. I’m so happy.
Her article was great.
Woo that’s great
I think you might find conservative party/pornies has some crossover SW, so Stormy could be literally killing two arseholes with one stone (assuming she’s going to stone them to death that is). Though I’m sure there’s some noo labour and liberal wotsits in there as well.
Poor Pornies having to resort to the old chestnut ‘cathartic!’ What next will they say oh yes I know the one which claims ‘women just love being group raped and sexually degraded because women love pain.’
Just shows how desperate the pornies are to have no opposition allowed in respect of their sadistic sexual pleasures.
To use the ‘cathartic’ effect in respect to preventing rape is extortion.
I know there is some speculation to my proposed methods. I can assure you that I will be very carefully making it up as I go along, and subject to change on a whim.
A porn bonfire.
Chuck in passing menz as they walk by.
Of course, there is always the danger of turning the earth into a fireball.
I have a ping back on this post from a site named Sexy Reading Material.
Hurry up stormy, we’ve got work to do.
I’d join you sparks, but my shoulder’s still a bit dodgy…..To the rad cave anyway
I have a nice outfit that I wear in the radcave.
But I had better make sure that my cape doesn’t get caught by the flames. That would be oh noes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBobrCBTNI
It always deterioriates….
FOOL! he’s trying to get away!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVLJcBsD__E
Actually, I more thinking of the radmobile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdu0xRmq3AY
Speeding off out of the radcave, ready to combat any pawn emergency.
de ner de ner de ner de ner RADWIMM!
Could you make that a boxthorn bonfire?
There would be a *lot* of poetic justice in that.
I dunno sophie, chucking porn users on a bonfire of porn seems fairly poetic to me.
Or maybe I should just wish upon them, all the things that turn them on in porn?
Where’d I put my radfem utility belt?
This thread is one of *many* further evidencing my long time dream of starting a Radfem Comedy Club!
You all are hoot-hoots!
Conceded. Boxthorn is also full of pricks but you might find it hard to get (and mixing it with other materials dilutes the heat).
I’m just disturbed that wonder woman was originally in quite sensible shoes. But when she transforms she’s in heels which are hardly practical for running in whether you’ve got super powers or not.
Oh and pisaquirise. No apparently we’re not funny. The invisible people say so.
Hey sparks I posted some comments and they disappeared?
They’re not in spam Polly… maybe the invisible people have nobbled them?
Ha! even in stupid heels WW still caught him…
Shits flyin’ over my head and I’m still laughing.
Oh no they’re there now. But is is surprising we’re all paranoid when the invisible people are out to get us….
pisaquari -Polly and I have a habit of talking to annoying people without publishing their comments. Waaa censorship.
Hence “the invisible people”
Nah I publish their comments sparks. I publish anyone’s comments me, I’m not proud. Also cos I blah on about gender I don’t have any MRA’s (yet). My invisible people just link to me and imagine that I’m talking about them. When I’m not and I never have and I never will, cos I don’t know who they are. But 3 cheers for paranoia eh……
Ah - I see I get it the noo.
The linky-invisible people…
Welcome to the bizarreo blogging sub-culture…
“Welcome to the bizarreo blogging sub-culture…”
Indeed.
So once again I arrive 70 odd comments in and can’t read them all because my attention span is lower than usual but I just had to reiterate this point from Stormy:
“One point that the porn apologists miss, they claim that ‘porn doesn’t cause these gang rapes, it was already inherent in the individual’. Well, what an outstanding co-incidence that one rapist just happens to know nine others, nine others he trusts ‘won’t tell’. Logic must dictate that the chances of this many rapists knowing each other is about the same as winning the lottery — unless of course, they have been conditioned into being rapists.”
This quote makes me want to swear positively in order to emphasise my point e.g. Stormy is so f**king right.
I read this story the other day. Reading about bukake makes me feel even more horrid than the usual stories about porn. I can’t even begin to fathom how this has affected the victim. Of course very few people in her life will ever being to appreciate the significance of this victimisation because she was *just* involved in something that is entertainment for others.
Re: biscuit wanking: major puke
Criminy! Killing people is cathartic for serial killers too, but I’d never heard it considered a good thing, till now.
I understand kiddy porn is very cathartic for pedophiles, too.
Excellent - the bewilderness.
Grace - the biscuit wanking is something else? wtf?
Not sure if you’re saying ‘wtf?’ in general agreement over the unbelievableness of the biscuit scenario there - pisaquari mentioned it way back in comment #3. Totally vomit worthy - not least for the ‘poor’ chap who er ‘came last’. Funny I always thought stamina was something men bragged about - obviously a way for less virile men to get their own back?
Anyway yeah, I agree with the bewilderness! Catharsism is only a reason, not an excuse for the behaviour. I’m sure certain acts of aggression/retaliation would make me feel a whole lot better but I don’t think “oh but it was cathartic” would hold much weight in court - especially as the victim would my poor wimpy excuse for a human being ex!
Yeah Grace, I’m WTFing about the male bonding biscuit wanking ceremony.
Yes, I here by announce that my kleptomania finds a cathartic release in stealing things…
Oh my god where do I begin!, I think most of you have already echoed my thoughts and feelings. I guess that I don’t want to seem repetative, but I just wanted to say I really hope that the beautiful human being woman, that was so vilely abused has got all the help and support that she needs (if thats truely possible?). I’ve spent much time thinking about this and i’m still lost for words, its beyond sickening!!!
So much evilness, yet in so many ways, we live in a beautiful world, at this time of year there is so much rebirth taking place, new life everywhere it seems. The earth gives us so much hope in the flora and faurna, we need to give that hope out to others, somehow!.
Grace and Sparkle re the biscuit incident, I can only hope that they grow to understand what humanity really means!, I have read several thought provoking articles by Robert Jensen, perhaps this person/s could do with reading some of his articles for enlightenment on the male abuse of wimmin and its (possible) cure! Just an idea.
These words came to me when I was reading the comments, they may or may not make sense but I hope someone my find a little comfort from this;
I am a woman, yes I am real!
and this, this is how I feel
hurt, abused, used by you
But like a flower on that first spring morn
I will awake and be reborn!
Reborn to find my inner core
my life, my strength you take no more!
as I have found the opening door
This is my life I will fight back
I have truely found myself
I’m back on track
I see the brightness once more
I walk towards the open door
I am free and I can truely be, all I am and so much more!
Many thank to all the pro wimmin postings, you all give
such strength!
Hugs to you all, lets keep talking on this, lets get HEARD!!much respect
Liz xxx
Awww danggit! I couldn’t have dreamed the biscuit incident would have carried through this long (or survived the sparkle and polly show, which I loved).
Let us just say this for biscuits: they are yummy and never deserved it.
However should biscuit porn become de rigueur I cannot say I will be so bothered.
Oh, and all frat events are homoerotic. Just so we are clear.
Thanks for the poem Elizabeth. I consider myself reborn it’s just I haven’t quite found the ‘brightness’ yet :/
pisaquaririse - you have caused quite a stir with the tale of the male bonding with biscuits.
The thought of a group of men watching each other masturbating onto a biscuit and then eating the result reaches me on a few different levels.
Do they also eat each others snot? no of course not…snot is not erotic…or something?
Puts a whole new slant on “do you swallow?”…
…”only if it’s on a biscuit”
Thanks Sparkle! : ) The brightness is out there, somewhere!
Perhaps its just caught behind that big grey cloud called Patriarchy, let your brightness burn through! talking of burning, the porn bonfire is a great idea!, it would save on landfill, What a bonfire party we call all have! although i’m guess that there might be a few health and safety issues, ha, ha, ha!
Have you ever thought of rebranding sparklematrix as a ‘lose weight now’ site sparks? Cos this discussion sure puts you off your feed…..
Yes, I can get a bit gross at times–I blame nursing.
Hmm the sparklematrix weight loss programme blog…guaranteed to put you off the pies as you dry heave yourself through the comments.
Classy.
well cow is hardly refined of course……
Throwing around terms such as “rebranding”, I think I may have become a baaaad influence somewhere along the way? You’ll be doing piecharts next!
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This is ridiculous. I make adult films, and I enjoy it. It is all very clean cut, and I don’t have to do anything I don’t want to do. Just because some bad things happen to a girl somewhere doesn’t mean you have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies. If some women out there cannot act responsibly when they make films and choose directors who let us keep the power over what happenes, that is their own fault. My career is liberating, and it happenes to be fun as well. Just because you are jealous of women who have hot bodies and like sex doesn’t mean you have to ruin it for us by saying porn is offensive and wrong.
88 ashley - yawn…………………………….
when oh when will radfems stop spoiling everything for everyone? and you’ve made it rain today you badfems.
heh. I’m jealous.
*saunters off*
What…like menopausal flushes, or just a general fever?
Oh yeah ZZZZZZZZZZ
Or, is this the sort of thing you mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WctgHbJUg4
All it’s missing is “prostitution is the oldest profession” to have completed the checklist.
Is Ashley a computer generated troll, because I think I just spotted the entire “porn justification bingo card” in there?
Ask Chichi….
And I have got a hot body - and it ain’t fun. Anyone who wants this flu is welcome to it.
Hope your flu gets better soon Polly - can’t be having you being too hot, ya know.
Ashley’s comment sounds like a joke…but I could be so incredibly sheltered from mainstream society that it was actually supposed to be a serious comment??
Eh
“Ashley’s comment sounds like a joke”
*chuckles* Nah, not a joke. A test.
the leader returns. it will be beltain soon and then he can do what only the MAN can do. none of you women can do it see. it’s just us hahahahahahaha!
Are you going to put up some shelves SW?
Or talk about cricket very seriously for several hours……
pah! even cricket is nothing beside the power of the tannist king! cut my head off and i fertilise your crops. see! no puny woman can do that. you must be feeling so hopeless.
hang on ladies - the knife …. err i was meaning that other man over there could be king and do the whole fertilising thing. i was thinking more in terms of errr fancy a nice shelf? discussion of the forward defensive shot?
eek…i’m a republican anyway.
The shelves sounds good SW. Apparently women can’t do DIY, I just read on it a feminist website.
I would just like to point out the obvious: that the current feminist strategy isn’t working very well. But gawd, things would most likely be much worse without their hard work.
After having 10 guys - nice, normal, everyday guys — think gang rape was an acceptable party-time activity to inflict upon any girl just having a few drinks in a bar, that poor young woman/girl will probably never trust men again. That trust is gone.
My trust is gone just thinking about it. Men suck.
Sometimes I get so angry on those mislead young women that do their best to defend the porn industry. Many of them ofcource work in that same industry and must say what they say just to keep their costumers and bosses happy and secure rheir own income.
One of the new young promotors of violent and utterly degrading porn is a young woman (20 years of age) with the name Sasha grey (Marina Hantzis) living in California, USA. She claims to be an existentialist pornstar (?) and a pro porn feminist. She also claims that she doesn´t make porn for money but instead to explore her sexuality (!). She does a lot of disgusting scenes were she is bound, gagged, slapped and spit on. In some of her movies she does a gangbang with fifteen men (drinking their semen) and also licks urine from a floor and drinks enema from the butt of a woman. And she does it all without some sort of protection. Still she claims she´s not afraid of AIDS.
This girl is now considered a celebrity in the US and a role model for young girls.
It´s really hard to fight when women like her does so much propaganda for the porn mafia.
Here you can see her on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxUq_zzvAaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYs2YfNlRBg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYs2YfNlRBg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdfsHu6BMrY&feature=related
And her is some of the girls own “words of wisdom”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFTEoBR215E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrYcjaKWS1I
Clearly depressing
Hi Maria and thanks for the links - I don’t think I’ve seen those ones.
I wonder if a male sex worker would become a ‘role model’ for young boys?