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We here at the Institute for Cheesy Wotsits Research find ourselves concerned in regards to the latest turn of events at The F. Word. Polly Styrene and a few other potential commentators found that by merely attempting to air their valid and on topic responses resulted with vaporisation into the ethers – while still allowing bullying comments against Polly and mAndrea to be published. Clue: calling someone a ‘Cretin’ is both an insult and abelist as it refers to a severe congenital physical and neurological condition caused by a thyroid hormone deficiency in-utero. On a feminist blog no less, that states in their comment policy.
No sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, classist, ablist comments, comments which make personal attacks on any blogger or commenter, or comments that are otherwise deemed offensive by us will be posted.
Polly addresses this in her post “I’ve changed my plea to guilty”
Irrational belief is all very well in its place of course. Which is usually after a shedload of drugs and/or drink, or if you prefer, in church. But while still stone cold sober, I’d like to examine the things I was accused of – apropos of nothing – on the F word and not allowed to reply to. And maybe at some point they will explain to me exactly WHY with all their high flown principles they allowed this to happen, this online bullying on a much bigger blog than mine. And why I haven’t been given any right of reply – and please don’t say I’m replying here, I want to reply in the oh so highly principled place where all this abuse was flung at me.
...Sukey take it off again...they've all gone away...
Apologies and or explanations offered as soon as good sense dictates not only helps save friendships and alliances – it can also dissolve a problem and keep it from developing into a full blown issue where the wound becomes a scar and the damage becomes irreparable… It’s also about respect.
Sparkle, what does cis gendered mean?
It is the(ir own) double standard that gets me, positioning themselves as the voice of ‘contemporary feminism’ (whatever that may be), putting up a policy of ‘no insulting comments’ — then allowing a thread to turn into a vendetta against both mAndrea and Polly – whose crime it seems, is to blog about trans and gender issues.
Plus radfems in general get called transphobic at every opportunity, to the point whereby it is so meaningless, that I wonder if getting out of bed on the other side is considered ‘transphobic’ these days?
Nor could I believe that radfems, because of their expressed opinion of a need for a biological divide for services for the FAB (female assigned at birth) eg: rape and DV shelters, were accused of (actively/effectively) wishing death and harm to transwomen. There is absolutely nothing stopping transactivists to set up trans-specific facilities for transwomen, nothing. The reason we have FAB services for rape and DV is the work of feminists setting up these organisations for women and children. But the attitude of the transwomen is ‘fuck the female born, transwomen and their needs outweigh FAB needs’.
The problem lies not with transwomen themselves, but with transactivists and their multi-gender agenda – they have absolutely NO limits as to who can call themselves ‘woman’ – including cross-dressing men who for the most part, live as men. Until transactivists can put forward sensible proposals against men invading FAB services, then it is unfortunate but a distinct line has to be drawn somewhere.
Practical views such as this are ‘not welcome’ at the home of ‘contemporary feminism’, even though the situation for many thousands of FAB women is put in danger. You would think a mainstream feminist blog would care about this?
And for the love of all that is holy, would transactivists STOP putting stupid pronouns onto the FAB bloggers? It is really fucking offensive. It’s not cool, edgy or hip, just plain ol’ offensive (without our permission). If you are not sure of a blogger’s sex, then default to Ye Olde Englishe of s/he or her/him etc. It’s not hard.
In reference to DV shelters etc. it also assumes that your average Jane Public has an understanding of gender issues. Most folks do not have a clue.
CoolAunt not sure if you are joking or not
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender
If I may be so bold, CoolAunt, I just recently figured this out.
Just as woman = not man, so does cis = not trans.
It is your basic patriarchial language tool for othering any group you wish to degrade.
I saw you post this elsewhere TBN and I had forgot about it. spot on.
Well it’s not just me that’s owed an apology here sparks, or M Andrea (though Ms Helen G did link to a post that criticised me for quoting poetry – whatever next? And apparently this means I want to murder people for no good reason, well that’s what happens with poetry people, it’s dangerous stuff. ) BTW might it be libellous to say people are inciting murder? Just a thought – maybe a legal expert can tell us.
It is also Rachel – who did exactly what Helen G did, used third gender pronouns and was attacked for it -oh and she committed the crime of pointing out that blogs are not news outlets.
And Sean Jones who dared to criticise the general bullying hectoring tone of the thread and was told that this was a tactic used by racists (and people who treasure good manners of course).
And V – who was told this was a ‘weird and horrible comment’
And Danny, heroine of the hour:
We’re waiting…….
Cool Aunt cis gendered means:
Thanks Polly for bringing these points up which I did notice, but time lacking I was unable to make a more comprehensive post. In particular I noticed the response to V’s comment.
I’ll just repeat it here because it quite blew me away as if women born women or FAB’s have no experience of extreme male violence.
V said.
In response to…
So V’s response was ‘weird and horrible’?
Yup ‘total lack of empathy or understanding of what women go through in terms of male violence’
Burning books probably…
Whatever next? “Thought crime” probably sparks….oh no wait I’ve already been accused of that.
2 women a week murdered in domestic violence in the UK. And a lot more nearly killed. Including close relatives of mine, and women who comment on this blog.
Let’s remember that eh?
Thanks V.
Polly said…
(my bold)
Yup.
‘Apologies and or explanations offered as soon as good sense dictates not only helps save friendships and alliances – it can also dissolve a problem and keep it from developing into a full blown issue where the wound becomes a scar and the damage becomes irreparable. It’s also about respect.’
Quoting your words Sparkle – because you are so right it is all about respect, which is sadly lacking with regards to the vitriolic and outrageous insults being hurled at Polly, Ms. Andrea and others simply because they are rightly refusing to dismiss the countless numbers of women (that is FAB) who have been and continue to be subject to male violence. Polarised thinking is certainly in evidence with regards to trans-activists and no I am not including all transgendered women only those trans-activists who are intent on destroying if they can, the years and years of feminist work which created and maintained services such as rape crisis centres and shelters for women.
No one has ever said transgendered individuals should not set up their own specalist trans facilities. Remember there are specialist facilities for lesbians and gays who have experienced homophobic and other forms of violence.
The Fword as I understand it is not a personal blog but one which promotes itself as seeking to represent diverse views. Yet only certain views are being allowed to be published. Is this not censorship? Also, why are personal insults allowed to be published when it is clearly stated personal attacks against individual bloggers or commentators will not be tolerated.
[...] Sparkle*Matrix and Pisaquaririse have written about this too. [...]
Certainly Jennifer there is a need for specialist facilites not only for transsexual survivors of domestic violence, but for gay men. (Lesbians could of course access existing services for women). As gay men are disproportionately the victims of domestic violence against males – a friend of mine was recently beaten up by his ex. And there are specialist helplines already, such as broken rainbow
http://www.broken-rainbow.org.uk/
However domestic violence refuges as anyone who works in the field will know, tend to disproportionately deal with women from those communities where for religious and cultural reasons they don’t have family and friends to escape to – because it would be considered unacceptable within their community to leave their abusive spouses. Which is why the victory for Southall Black Sisters was so important.
And I keep repeating this again and again. It would NOT BE POSSIBLE for a lot of these women to share living space with a biological male who is a stranger. No matter how they identify. We are talking about women’s safe space here. If we can see that BME women need separate space, (which even the high court managed to do) why can no one see that women born women also need separate space?
Everyone who is the victim of domestic violence must have the right to safety. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it is appropriate for transwomen and females assigned at birth to share space. Because it isn’t.
As I also said on my blog, most of those making all the noise on the F word currently (supposedly about UK feminism) are actually from the USA. What’s all that about?
At this point it’s really a question of “What Next?”
*Cis Survivors of Domestic Violence?*
Why is it no radfemphobe EVER addresses the point that there are *plenty* of exclusive safe spaces for ALL SORTS of situations?
Ah now I get your last comment elsewhere, Polly.
I should probably say something about this on my blog, but the reason I am taking such a hard line has to do with the nature of transgenderism mostly and the attitude of the activists slightly.
To be excluded from anywhere merely reinforces the idea that they are not real women and so they are never going to stop fighting for that goal — EVER. But unfortunately it has several negative repercussions for women, only some of which have been mentioned in the blogosphere so far. The only way to get them to stop is to reduce it to a fetish in the public eye, which it strongly resembles anyway.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138932
Thanks for blogging about this Sparkle.
Thanks. I honestly didn’t know what cis gendered means. I’ve known transgendered and transexual, but not cis gendered. Well, until now, that is.
Plus it just plain doesn’t make any sense no matter how hard I try to see it from their point of view. If it is possible to feel as if one is in the wrong body, then you’d expect some people to say they feel like they are different race or ethnicity than the one assigned at birth.
I’m of to read Polly’s post and the F-Word thread, but I wanted to point out that I’ve had success defending Vancouver Rape Relief (where I am a volunteer-we are evil because we fought a legal battle against a transwoman who wanted to volunteer) by pointing out (and this may not be true for all, but for me it is) that while I and some of the members wish to be trans inclusive sparkle hit the nail on the head:
(I’m having this conversation elsewhere atm)
And it’s all about the comfort of the women in the shelter dammit.
WOW. I am having the exact same argument with Lisa Harney at Anji’s, though she hasn’t responded to my VRR stuff.
I’m completely missing why the use of nongendered pronouns was bad. She applied them to *everyone* she was talking about.
“The Fword as I understand it is not a personal blog but one which promotes itself as seeking to represent diverse views. Yet only certain views are being allowed to be published. Is this not censorship?”
No, it’s only censorship when the government does it. It’s propaganda when the F word does it. In fact it is one of the most common propaganda techniques. It creates the illusion of consensus by stating a policy of open commenting and then printing only comments that agree with the author of the piece.
It’s a good way to lose your credibility, as Judith Miller can testify to.
As I also said on my blog, most of those making all the noise on the F word currently (supposedly about UK feminism) are actually from the USA.
Welcome to my nightmare.
WOW. I am having the exact same argument with Lisa Harney at Anji’s, though she hasn’t responded to my VRR stuff.
I think you explained yourself clearly LC.
Catkisser has also put a lot of valid points/concerns forward, much of what we (generally) have been saying on the issue of safe spaces for FABs.
Catkisser only made two minor errors – that as intersexed (and likely raised as female), she would be regarded as FAB, not trans, by us (us generally). Secondly, the end of her third comment (12): We do not even hear these sorts of attacks from the religious right, only transgenders and the most rabid of the of old school rad lesbian separatists. which I thought carried more ‘heresay’ about it. It was a bit brief, but I think there are some possible misunderstandings in there.
“2 women a week murdered in domestic violence in the UK. And a lot more nearly killed. Including close relatives of mine, and women who comment on this blog.”
exactly. the idea that feminists are transphobic for not covering every violent attack against transpeople really really fucks me off. femicide, anyone? we might just have our hands full. im not seeing trans-activist blogs all that bothered by the daily murders, rapes, beatings, and other tortures perpetrated on thousands – yes thousands, millions even – of women EVERY SINGLE DAY.
the f word is off my link list, should i ever blog again. this whole thing, can i call it a witch hunt? makes me feel sick. just goes to show what a bunch of lucky muppets they are, that they can afford to ignore reality like that. for most of us feminism is a fucking emergency. for them its like a new badge for their girl guide uniform.
Thanks peeps, all of you. I’ve just posted a short comment on Anji’s thread.
Yeah, it’s a witch hunt. And a complete lie fest. And most of those at the F word seem to be paralysed with fear of the witchfinder general (you get 1 guess). Despite the fact that people who contribute have spoken out. Despite the fact that transwomen have spoken out. Despite the fact that commenters to the F word itself have spoken out.
They just have their fingers in their ears going ‘la la la la la, can’t hear you’.
LISTEN.
Oh and BTW the cow has now declared itself the one and only bastion of contemporary Northern feminism. ” A local blog for local people”.
Sensible non locals still welcome of course……
Oh and thanks Sophie
http://2bsophora.blogspot.com/2008/08/energy-where-it-matters.html
makes me feel sick. just goes to show what a bunch of lucky muppets they are, that they can afford to ignore reality like that. for most of us feminism is a fucking emergency. for them its like a new badge for their girl guide uniform.
An excellent point V. It is an emergency for the state of women (in this country, and worldwide).
Whilst the girl guides pat themselves on the back for being so open minded and liberal, they ‘forget’ to blog about the bigger crises facing females everywhere.
I have noticed too that the F-Word has tended to blog about stupid things like high heels and how cool it is to be a fem-looking dyke (WTF!). This seems to show that the important issues are beyond their comprehension?
an unnecessary word of support from one of privilege; the only hatred i see from the radfems i have conversed with is hatred of violence and prejudice.
Oh and BTW the cow has now declared itself the one and only bastion of contemporary Northern feminism. ” A local blog for local people”.
Sensible non locals still welcome of course……
I shall claim qualifying on the grounds of local genetic inheritance, rather than on that ridiculous demand that I be sensible. Or you could just rephrase the criteria: Local people, sensible non-locals, and stormy.
Well tis a tribute to “The League of Gentlemen” of course.
Royston Vasey – you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Also re the pronouns –
a) Rachel was being generally supportive and
b) Helen G used the pronoun “hirself” (so SHE gets to ‘third gender’ with impunity it seems), so poor ol’ Rachel was probably trying to do the right thing (BIG mistake Rachel, take it from me).
It is like there is some automatic button in their brains, that immediately reacts to any opposition (however mild) with “HOW VERY DARE YOU, YOU ARE ADVOCATING MURDER”
When all poor ol’ Rachel did was make the very true point that blogs aren’t news outlets.
i do love your pop culture references. i watch too much tv..
Well tis a tribute to “The League of Gentlemen” of course.
Twelvety.
I fear they are very much lost on some though V.
But not if you’re local.
Crikey, I leaves me goblin on oubliette moderation duties and I come back to squillions of comments. And up to comment 31 we stayed on topic! this is a biggie folks…
I never realized how transphobic I was!
http://imeatingblueberriesthereforeimtransphobic.wordpress.com
HAHAHA
Or piss taking of course – naughty naughty Mary Sunshine….
And we are ALL transphobic.
http://www.breathingistransphobic.wordpress.com
“for them its like a new badge for their girl guide uniform.”
Oh this is cool A ‘girl’ badge for our Girl Guide uniform. What do we have to do to earn it? Why oh why do I have this feeling it’ll be us who have to do that. They, of course, have it nailed.
Polly no need to convince me about how vital it is for women only specialist services to be made available. I mean specialist services for women born female. Just wanted to say yes indeed it is vital such organisations as Southall Black Sisters and other BME organisations exist. No need to repeat what you’ve already said because I utterly concur. Only reason I mentioned gay men and lesbian women was because I know there are specialist organisations which focus on the needs of gay men who have experienced partner violence and same applies to lesbian women. Such organisations understand lesbian women’s and gay men’s experiences are not the same as heterosexual women’s and heterosexual men’s.
Totally agree it would most definitely not be possible for many women to be forced to share living space with a biological male, despite the male having transitioned from MTF. I most definitely would not want this to happen to me if I were in such a situation and I know for a fact a lot of women I know, would feel the same way.
Crikey, I leaves me goblin on oubliette moderation duties and I come back to squillions of comments. And up to comment 31 we stayed on topic! this is a biggie folks…
HAH! You spoke too soon sparks!
It drifty in, it drifty out, it shake it all about….
What we need to understand Jennifer, and this really is vital, and I’m going to keep repeating it until I’m blue in the face is this.
In the UK at the moment, you don’t need to have sex reassignment surgery to have your ‘gender’ reassigned legally. Once you have had your gender reassigned legally you are treated as any other woman for legal purposes. Now whilst this is desirable in most cases, to prevent discrimination, it has huge effects in the case of either single sex services, or those jobs that are exempted vacancies under the sex discrimination act.
So it is perfectly possible under this legislation for someone to be legally a ‘woman’ and have a penis. Or to be legally a ‘man’ and have a vagina and uterus.
Now most people in single sex services, or for instance requiring personal care (another type of job which is often single sex) wouldn’t be very happy with that I suspect. It would be totally inappropriate for a woman who has been abused or raped to have to receive personal care from or share living space with someone with a penis no matter what ‘gender’ they may identify as. Such women need to feel totally safe, and they must come safe.
People assume anyone who is legally a ‘woman’ will have had sex reassignment surgery. But that’s not always the case.
And that’s why I’m going to keep on about this. I’m not going to shut up. Your attempted silencing has failed. And it will continue to fail.
Chew on that.
[...] I have a lot of respect for, has been subjected to what I can only describe (politely) as totally incomprehensible treatment by the F Word [...]
Who posting here is attempting to silence Polly? Pardon, but I just cannot read all this. A one word answer will suffice, and then I can hone it down to something manageable.
Or were you referring to somewhere and someone else? I have always found Jennefier to be spot on with her analysis and information.
But I do like the way you think Polly. Refreshingly logical. I just don’t see a disagreement in Jennifer’s stance with yours. Did I miss it?
Never mind. I’ve been reading.
Thanks Cath (too much to say for myself). Maybe your ‘meeja’ prominence might scare them a bit?
Incomprehensible much? How do I get a Cif gig?
Can I say here and now, that I am NOT blaming everyone at the F word for this. There are good reasons (which I can’t disclose) why at least some people there aren’t able to act at the moment.
But Catherine Redfern what’s your excuse? Are you on holiday? In a coma?
Put your money where your mouth is Catherine. Or you you ain’t saying nuthin’.
Polly, totally, totally agree with you and yes I too know that at present men who wish to change from male to female do not have to have re-assignment surgery in order to be legally classified as ‘female.’ Once a male obtains that legal piece of paper which states they are ‘female’ this means they are classified as female and yes indeed this does have an immense negative impact on women only specialist services because this means the man who is now declared female can enter this space even though he is still biologically male. So you are quite right this could well result in a legally defined ‘female’ but still having male sexual organs entering women’s only specialist services and the women who run these services will not be able to challenge this.
Yes I do understand and I am not criticising or challenging you on this issue. As I’ve said before, I personally know a number of women who would refuse outright to have to share a women’s safe space with an individual who is still male even though legal documentation says otherwise.
So, just to repeat I am not arguing with you Polly but totally agreeing and yes it is vital to get the message across that gender reassignment does not automatically mean an individual has surgerical reassignment. It took immense effort and years of very hard work and lobbying for a law to be passed which stated that certain jobs are exempt from the sex discrimination act and now with legislation stating that all an individual has to do is obtain a legal document stating their gender is not their biological one for an individual to be re-assigned. Yes I understand that and I do understand the immense real danger this causes to women.
Hope this clarifies any possible misunderstanding I may have inadvertently stated.
Nobody posting here is attempted to silence me Cis. The comment is aimed at all those who, we must assume, are reading. Those who insist it is ‘transphobic’ to say women have a right to a safe space. Who have succeeded in silencing a few others. Like this woman.
http://amananta.wordpress.com/2006/05/15/radical-feminism-and-the-transgendered/
Seriously – is it the middle ages? Will we have to believe the earth is flat next? Will we be burnt at the stake if we don’t? Are some ideas so dangerous they CANNOT EVEN BE DISCUSSED?
They locked Galileo up for insisting the earth moved:
“But it does move.
Once you have had your gender reassigned legally you are treated as any other woman for legal purposes. Now whilst this is desirable in most cases, to prevent discrimination
I must say I don’t understand this at all. How does “treating someone as a woman” not amount to discrimination, given sexism and the fact that men are default humans and women punished insofar as we deviate from a male norm? And given also that the cases in which equal treatment has been seen to be DIFFERENT treatment (in the case of job protection during pregnancy, for example) are based on biological facts of female life which are not relevant for transwomen?
Legal protection for “gender identity” is bullshit and reinforces the idea that people should be treated differently depending what’s between their legs or, failing that, whether they wear makeup or what have you. It’s a crock.
(And no, I’m not trying to silence you polly, kisses.)
Plus it just plain doesn’t make any sense no matter how hard I try to see it from their point of view. If it is possible to feel as if one is in the wrong body, then you’d expect some people to say they feel like they are different race or ethnicity than the one assigned at birth.
I think that has happened before. Michael Jackson, anyone?
That’s the whole crux around my misunderstanding. I don’t feel like anything. I feel like a person living a life.
What does it feel like to be a woman? What does it feel like to be a man?
Some of my behavior is socially programmed, and I feel like I’m acting sometimes when I behave in expected feminine ways. But that doesn’t mean I’m really a man inside. It means that a lot of behavior is either socially sanctioned or socially condemned based on gender, and just because someone doesn’t like having to perform doesn’t make them the opposite gender. It makes them a fucking human being!
And for the record, I hate the term “cis.” My first exposure to it had to do with fatty acids. Trans fats and cis fats. Now someone wants to label me with that dumb prefix so that their stupid prefix isn’t so lonely?
Well what I meant Amy (sorry I wasn’t clear) is that for instance, if someone loses their job because they have gender reassignment, they have a claim that that is illegal discrimination.
Which I agree with. You can either do your job or you can’t, your body/’gender identity’ has nothing to do with it.
But yes there are huge problems with this if it is just protection for ‘gender identity’ as proposed in the US. Generally there are many problems with discrimination law, which I shall be discussing in my forthcoming meisterwerk ‘The Gender Delusion’.
No I wasn’t falling out with you either Jennifer, it just needs stressing what the actual law is, because people misunderstand it.
I feel like I’m really a cow inside. And outside!
Polly, in the U.S. a lesbian filmmaker got her independent film pulled from a fairly important film festival (Frameline in San Francisco( by folks like the F-word crew. The film is a satire about a future world ruled by the Religious Right where only men and women (as defined under male supremacy) were allowed, and anybody who was gender nonconforming had to declare and get surgeries if necessary in order to conform. The outrage had mostly to do with the filmmaker (Catherine Crouch’s) story line that in this world, the RR was in cahoots with transpersons. Can’t say that, even though we need look no further than Iran to find persons who are forced by fundamentalist courts to transition or they’re going to jail or worse. The film was unceremoniously dumped from Frameline as “transphobic” with ongoing efforts to get it dumped anywhere else anyone attempted to show it. People who had no idea what the film was even about much less had ever seen it were shrieking “transphobe, transphobe” at the mere mention of the film.
I saw it and thought it was great. I had only one quibble, and that was the use of the word “tranny”. Then again, I don’t see transpersons and their advocates out there attempting to ban films where women are targeted for hate speech, so I hardly see why this would be the basis for the film being banned.
Also, the word “tranny” was used only once in the film. The name of the film is the Gendercator:
http://www.catherinecrouch.com/mainwebsite_html/filmsDetail.php?pageID=gendercator
Yes and that is the serious bit Heart. It really IS the thought police. Orwellian indeed. If you disagree with me, I’ll call you a name. And yet again, I’m going to say this.
If your only argument is to shout someone down, call them names and silence them.
You don’t have an argument.
But yet again, we must separate ‘transactivists’ from ‘transpeople’. Because the former are often no more ‘Trans’ than I am the queen of sheba. And the latter (at least IMHE) are usually pretty sound peeps, who don’t spout this crap.
I was actually just telling a friend who is a ‘normal person’ (ie not a feminist blogger, or any kind of blogger) about this whole farrago and a) she thought it was hysterically funny – well it DOES have its funny side, you have to admit (particularly Mary Sunshine’s contribution) but also b)
When I told her the F word was the most popular UK feminist site she said maybe people thought it was a site about Gordon Ramsay…..
http://www.channel4.com/food/on-tv/f-word/
LOL……
Hi Polly. Not sure if my ‘meeja’ prominence will do any good whatsoever. This from a poster on my latest CiF piece: “I wonder whether Cath Elliot realises that she does more harm than good to any cause she makes her silly arguments for.”
Ooops. Silly me. Hope I haven’t made things worse
As for the other thing – email the editor: matt.seaton@guardian.co.uk
Heart the film you mention appears to be a very interesting depiction of what happens when women and men are assigned certain roles and traits and woe betide anyone who acted in a nonconforming gender way. Oh, but it is already in existence and it is called patriarchy. I am not surprised this film was pulled because it was too close to the truth.
Just for the record I totally agree with Polly’s excellent analysis of the trans issue.
I think Polly’s friend puts it very neatly wherein maybe people think the F word is about Gordon Ramsay’s programme. But the real danger is in silencing opposition and debate because this enables dangerous changes to happen without anyone realising what is happening. As with the problems surrounding discrimination law.
I shall definitely do that Cath…..Come on Cif ain’t NEARLY as nasty as the ‘feminist’ blogosphere.
And believe me certain peeps are ALWAYS boasting about their (flimsy) meeja exposure…..(by contrast a certain high profile feminist blogger I know used to get offers of national meeja about once a week – and turn them down).
Well I’m afraid you’ve been and gorn and done it anyway supporting the (childish) queen of Evol. But ta muchly. Sanity may yet prevail.
Thanks for posting this, Sparkle*Matrix.
You’ve been very courageous, Polly. I just left a comment on your blog.
((((Big Hugs to all my sisters))))
xoxo
Thanks Maggie, but I have a congenital inability to shut up if I think I’m right anyway. The F words response by the way is here.
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2008/08/f_word_blog_rev
What would I like to see less of? Hmm, let me think. Blatant hypocrisy? Bullying? Trashing people with much smaller blogs than yours and accusing them of inciting murder without even letting them reply?
It’s so difficult isn’t it.
Get some ethics F word.
now cowblog has vanished as well. dang! hope all’s well, polly. do drop by there’s a place for us, if you fancy it.
There is a good reason SW, which is to do with general unsaneness from some quarters of the internetz, which I am fed up with. And not necessarily the quarters you’d expect either. However polly is alive and well and has just been to see Louis XIV (not a french monarch) who were jolly good.
What happened to Polly’s blog?
Well as I said to SW Maggie, somebody was threatening me. And I’m going to make it clear HERE AND NOW that it wasn’t anyone who has a blog, it definitely wasn’t any radical feminist blogger, it wasn’t any blogger who identifies themselves as ’sex positive’ or a ‘trans activist’ it was someone who was basically trying blackmail on me.
And it definitely wasn’t Stormy!!!!!!! Well fuck that noise very much as Sparks would say. I don’t want anything to do with such people. And they haven’t “won” either. It’s all blown up in their faces.
However I am very much alive, well and fine generally, so please don’t worry.
(don’t publish this if you don’t want to Sparks, or edit it).
So sad to hear you’ve been threatened, Polly. (((Big Hugs)))
However I am very much alive, well and fine generally, so please don’t worry.
Glad to hear it.
And I hope you saved all your great work somewhere, Polly? In case you wanna put it back on the Internet someday?
glad all’s well, poll; sorry about whatever tosser it was; please keep writing wherever. the cows need one who speaks for them.
Ah the cows will be fine SW, in fact if you click on the link…… Yes strangely the tosser(s) were neither male, nor the peeps who usually take offence at every single thing I say. I’m sure they’ll find something to offend them in my future ramblings though. You know me, I like to give my public what they want.
Yes Maggie I have an XML file still. I might upload it to private site just for my own amusment, but fresh fields of ripping Tories, M Thatcher (yes she is a tory) and G Glitter await.
And for anyone who’s wondering – I’m about as fragile as a Sherman Tank.
Well piss Polly! People suck–didn’t know you were dealing *that* kind of shit.
I imagine they threatened you b/c *they* felt threatened by your mad brain skills. Having a brain these days seems to threaten A LOT of people’s precious heartz/soulz/egoz/identitiz.
R.I.P Cowblog.
People can feel threatened by a lot of weird shit Pisaquari. But they’re mistaking me for someone who cares…..Anyway cowblog is not dead, just resting… Well not even that actually, it’s just a sekrit (ish) squirrel. But the clues are there……(see comment 71).
It also makes me feel fond of my REGULAR enemies. Almost but not quite…..